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A quick retort to a defender of sola Scriptura

Eric: John, stop and think for a moment, are Roman Catholics Christians?  They are if they have trusted in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins, and had a born again experience.  However, if they believe that the are saved by God’s grace and their works, then they are not saved — even if they believe their works are done by God’s grace — since they then deny the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice.  Being a Christian does not mean being a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Catholicism is not faithful to Scripture. Attached are Scripture verses and explanations that prove the Catholic Church is no longer representing Christianity, but apostasy.

J. Salza: Eric, you have no business quoting from the Bible to disprove the Catholic faith when it was the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible.
This is the brash arrogance of Protestant Christians, who are ignorant of history and twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. I call it “spoiled brat Christianity.”  You despise the very Mother who gave you the Scriptures.
The Bible is indeed the Word of God, but you only know that because the Catholic Church told you so.
How do you know what books should be in the Bible when the Bible doesn’t tell you?
You only know it because the Catholic Church definitively declared the Bible canon at the end of the fourth century.

If the Bible canon is necessary for our salvation, but Christ did not reveal it to His apostles, then Christ must have established an authority that would guarantee the early Christians’ determination of the Bible canon after He ascended into heaven.
This authority is the Holy Catholic Church.

The  Bible was not available for 400 years after Christ’s death, and it wasn’t even distributed for 1500 years after His death because the Bible was printed only around 1440’s by Johannes Gutenberg. For 1,500 years the teachings of Jesus Christ were passed on by oral tradition and traditions taught by letters not bibles because they were not printed yet until around 1440’s. 2 Thes 2:15, 1 Cor 11:2, 2 Tim 2:2, 1 Thes 2:13

If the Bible is the only way to get us to heaven, then what happened to those millions of poor souls who never had a Bible during the 1500 year period?

My Protestant friends say that their church goes by the Bible Alone, but that the Catholic Church has added a lot of man-made traditions to the Word of God…is that true?

No, it is not true. Protestants have as their sole rule of faith the written Word of God, which we find in Sacred Scripture. The Catholic Church has as its sole rule of faith, the entire Word of God, as it is found in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

All of the Word of God was at one time passed on orally…Sacred Tradition. Eventually, some of Sacred Tradition was written down…this became Sacred Scripture, which is written tradition. However,

Scripture itself tells us that not all of the things that Jesus said and did were written down. And listen to what Paul says about “tradition”:

2 Thes 2:15, “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.”  <— Traditions! Traditions taught by word of mouth, in other words, oral tradition, and traditions taught by letter. Traditions which they are being told to “stand firm and hold to”. Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

1 Cor 11:2, “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.”  <—  The Corinthians are being commended by Paul because they maintain the traditions that he passed on to them. Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

2 Tim 2:2: “and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.”  <—  What we have here in 2 Timothy is an instance, in Scripture, of Paul commanding the passing on of oral tradition.

1 Thes 2:13, “And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the Word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the Word of God, which is at work in you believers.”  <—– So, they received as the Word of God that which they heard, not simply that which they read in Scripture.

In other words, the Bible clearly supports the Catholic Church’s teaching that the Word of God is contained in both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

Where in the Holy Bible does it say that a believer must place his faith in the Holy Bible alone and not in the Holy Bible and Tradition?

Protestants use this verse to refute the tradition

Some leaders may make reference to Timothy 3:16 where it states, “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” <– But, the Holy Bible only says that Scripture is “useful.” It does not say that we must believe in the Holy Bible alone.

Some may make reference to Matthew 15:1-9 where Jesus condemned the tradition of the elders. <–  In that specific Biblical passage, Jesus was not condemning all tradition, but only the corrupt tradition of the Pharisees.

Have our separated brothers and sisters not read the words of Saint Paul in the Holy Bible where He gives a strong support in favor of the Tradition?  Saint Paul said: “So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.” [2 Thess. 2:15]

In truth, I tell you, the belief of Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) that is held by our separated brothers and sisters, is not Biblical at all. While the Protestant claim to base their entire belief system on the Bible alone, that principle is nowhere to be found in the Holy Bible.

Scripture Alone Disproves “Scripture Alone”

Gen. to Rev. – Scripture never says that Scripture is the sole infallible authority for God’s Word. Scripture also mandates the use of tradition. This fact alone disproves sola Scriptura.

Matt. 28:19; Mark 16:15 – those that preached the Gospel to all creation but did not write the Gospel were not less obedient to Jesus, or their teachings less important.

Matt. 28:20 – “observe ALL I have commanded,” but, as we see in John 20:30; 21:25, not ALL Jesus taught is in Scripture. So there must be things outside of Scripture that we must observe. This disproves “Bible alone” theology.

Mark 16:15 – Jesus commands the apostles to “preach,” not write, and only three apostles wrote. The others who did not write were not less faithful to Jesus, because Jesus gave them no directive to write. There is no evidence in the Bible or elsewhere that Jesus intended the Bible to be sole authority of the Christian faith.

Luke 1:1-4 – Luke acknowledges that the faithful have already received the teachings of Christ, and is writing his Gospel only so that they “realize the certainty of the teachings you have received.” Luke writes to verify the oral tradition they already received.

John 20:30; 21:25 – Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures. These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.

Acts 8:30-31; Heb. 5:12 – these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures. We cannot interpret them infallibly on our own. We need divinely appointed leadership within the Church to teach us.

Acts 15:1-14 – Peter resolves the Church’s first doctrinal issue regarding circumcision without referring to Scriptures.

Acts 17:28 – Paul quotes the writings of the pagan poets when he taught at the Aeropagus. Thus, Paul appeals to sources outside of Scripture to teach about God.

1 Cor. 5:9-11 – this verse shows that a prior letter written to Corinth is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul is again appealing to a source outside of Scripture to teach the Corinthians. This disproves Scripture alone.

1 Cor. 11:2 – Paul commends the faithful to obey apostolic tradition, and not Scripture alone.

Phil. 4:9 – Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. There is nothing ever about obeying Scripture alone.

Col. 4:16 – this verse shows that a prior letter written to Laodicea is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul once again appeals to a source outside of the Bible to teach about the Word of God.

1 Thess. 2:13 – Paul says, “when you received the word of God, which you heard from us..” How can the Bible be teaching first century Christians that only the Bible is their infallible source of teaching if, at the same time, oral revelation was being given to them as well? Protestants can’t claim that there is one authority (Bible) while allowing two sources of authority (Bible and oral revelation).

1 Thess. 3:10 – Paul wants to see the Thessalonians face to face and supply what is lacking. His letter is not enough.

2 Thess. 2:14 – Paul says that God has called us “through our Gospel.” What is the fullness of the Gospel?

2 Thess. 2:15 – the fullness of the Gospel is the apostolic tradition which includes either teaching by word of mouth or by letter. Scripture does not say “letter alone.” The Catholic Church has the fullness of the Christian faith through its rich traditions of Scripture, oral tradition and teaching authority (or Magisterium).

2 Thess 3:6 – Paul instructs us to obey apostolic tradition. There is no instruction in the Scriptures about obeying the Bible alone (the word “Bible” is not even in the Bible).

1 Tim. 3:14-15 – Paul prefers to speak and not write, and is writing only in the event that he is delayed and cannot be with Timothy.

2 Tim. 2:2 – Paul says apostolic tradition is passed on to future generations, but he says nothing about all apostolic traditions being eventually committed to the Bible.

2 Tim. 3:14 – continue in what you have learned and believed knowing from whom you learned it. Again, this refers to tradition which is found outside of the Bible.

James 4:5 – James even appeals to Scripture outside of the Old Testament canon (“He yearns jealously over the spirit which He has made…”)

2 Peter 1:20 – interpreting Scripture is not a matter of one’s own private interpretation. Therefore, it must be a matter of “public” interpretation of the Church. The Divine Word needs a Divine Interpreter. Private judgment leads to divisions, and this is why there are 30,000 different Protestant denominations.

2 Peter 3:15-16 – Peter says Paul’s letters are inspired, but not all his letters are in the New Testament canon. See, for example, 1 Cor. 5:9-10; Col. 4:16. Also, Peter’s use of the word “ignorant” means unschooled, which presupposes the requirement of oral apostolic instruction that comes from the Church.

2 Peter 3:16 – the Scriptures are difficult to understand and can be distorted by the ignorant to their destruction. God did not guarantee the Holy Spirit would lead each of us to infallibly interpret the Scriptures. But this is what Protestants must argue in order to support their doctrine of sola Scriptura. History and countless divisions in Protestantism disprove it.

1 John 4:1 – again, God instructs us to test all things, test all spirits. Notwithstanding what many Protestants argue, God’s Word is not always obvious.

1 Sam. 3:1-9 – for example, the Lord speaks to Samuel, but Samuel doesn’t recognize it is God. The Word of God is not self-attesting.

1 Kings 13:1-32 – in this story, we see that a man can’t discern between God’s word (the commandment “don’t eat”) and a prophet’s erroneous word (that God had rescinded his commandment “don’t eat”). The words of the Bible, in spite of what many Protestants must argue, are not always clear and understandable. This is why there are 30,000 different Protestant churches and one Holy Catholic Church.

Gen. to Rev. – Protestants must admit that knowing what books belong in the Bible is necessary for our salvation. However, because the Bible has no “inspired contents page,” you must look outside the Bible to see how its books were selected. This destroys the sola Scriptura theory. The canon of Scripture is a Revelation from God which is necessary for our salvation, and which comes from outside the Bible. Instead, this Revelation was given by God to the Catholic Church, the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

SOLA SCRIPTURA I:

 

THE TRADITION

“Sola Scriptura” means “the Bible alone.”

Our separated brothers and sisters believe that their faith is planted on solid grounds because they accept the Bible, and only the Bible, as the sole rule of Faith. They claim that they do not need the Lord’s appointed Church authority, the Pope, nor the Tradition of the Church. To them, the Bible, and only the Bible, is the pillar and anchor of truth.

My question is, “Is the belief of our separated brothers and sisters really based on solid ground when they say that the Bible alone is the sole rule of faith?”

If every non-Catholic studied the Holy Scriptures, especially those manifested in the teachings of the early Church Fathers, such as Saint Jerome, Saint Basil and Saint Augustine who were Catholics and who were celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, they would come to realize that the teachings of the early Church Father are the same truths (tradition) that the Catholic Church teaches today. I challenge them to do so, unless of course, they do not want to know the truth.

Where in the Holy Bible does it say that a believer must place his faith in the Holy Bible alone and not in the Holy Bible and Tradition?

Some leaders may make reference to Timothy 3:16 where it states, “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” <– But, the Holy Bible only says that Scripture is “useful.” It does not say that we must believe in the Holy Bible alone.

Some may make reference to Matthew 15:1-9 where Jesus condemned the tradition of the elders. <–  In that specific Biblical passage, Jesus was not condemning all tradition, but only the corrupt tradition of the Pharisees.

Have our separated brothers and sisters not read the words of Saint Paul in the Holy Bible where He gives a strong support in favor of the Tradition?  Saint Paul said: “So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.” [2 Thess. 2:15]

In truth, I tell you, the belief of Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) that is held by our separated brothers and sisters, is not Biblical at all. While the Protestant claim to base their entire belief system on the Bible alone, that principle is nowhere to be found in the Holy Bible.

SOLA SCRIPTURA II: THE HOLY BIBLE

“Sola Scriptura” means “the Bible alone.”

In the previous article, Sola Scriptura I, it was shown that Sola Scriptura has no basis in the Christian faith when it comes to rejecting the Catholic Church Tradition.

In this article, we shall demonstrate that those who support Sola Scriptura, they do not have a sound argument based on the history of the Christian Church.

When Jesus told the Apostles to communicate the faith, the truths that must be believed in order to be saved, He did not say, “Take your Bible, go forth and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Jesus made no reference to the Holy Bible because in those days, there was no Holy Bible as we know it today.

Jesus never wrote a Bible. He never commanded His Apostles to write Bibles. Jesus never said to write Bibles, to scatter them all over the earth and to let every man read it and interpret it for himself in accordance to His teachings. Yet, this is the basic belief of Protestantism.

Everyone needs to read the Bible and decide what is the truth and what is not the truth.
Not only does each individual denomination have its own individual and opposing beliefs, so does many Protestant Churches within the same denomination. Equally, within families, each member is entitled to his/her own individual belief that may oppose other members of the same family. Is this Unity? Is this the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that our Lord Jesus founded?

What happened was:

1. Jesus said to Saint Peter, “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build My Church.” [Mt. 16:18]

2. Saint Paul clearly taught that the Church is the pillar and bulwark (“bulwark” means a protective wall or embankment.) of the truth. [1 Tim. 3:16]

3. Jesus commissioned Peter to preach in His name, “As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” [Jn. 20:21] This means that Jesus gave Peter the authority to preach in His name.

4. Then Jesus said, “Whoever listens to you listens to Me, and whoever rejects you rejects Me, and whoever rejects Me rejects the One Who sent Me.” [Lk. 10:16] “If the offender refuses to listen even to the Church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile (“gentile” in the sense of non-believer”) and a tax collector.” [Mt. 18:17]

The Catholic Church and the Faith was in place before the existence of the New Testament, the second part of the Holy Bible. Of the 12 Apostles, only 5 wrote something. Seven to ten years before anything was written down, the Catholic Church was already administering the Sacraments, baptizing, forgiving sins, praying over the sick, etc…

Before one single word of the New Testament was written, the Catholic Church had already spread throughout the Roman Empire. The Catholic Church had Saints and Martyrs before it had Gospels and Epistles.

Saint Matthew wrote his Gospel about 7 years after Jesus was taken up to Heaven. Saint Mark was 10 years later; Saint Luke was 25 years after the Ascension of the Lord. The Gospel of John was written about 63 years after the Ascension.

I ask you, “How did the early believers become Christians?” “How did they save their souls?” It certainly was not by reading the Bible because there was no New Testament. It was not until 397 A.D., under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, at the Council of Carthage, that the Catholic Church finally agreed on which writings should be part of the New Testament.

The strange thing about Sola Scriptura, those who claim that every word in the Holy Bible is the infallible word of God, they fail to affirm that God commissioned the Catholic Church, no other Church, to compile the Holy Bible. It was the Catholic Church that produced the Bible. It was not the Bible that produced the Church. Its like the Factory that produced a car, who knows everything about the car, is it Factory the creator of the car or the car itself?

Now if faith is only obtained by reading the Holy Bible (Sola Scriptura) in order to be saved, than salvation comes from the invention of the printing press. Before the middle of the 1400’s, the Holy Bible was hand-written. Very few persons owned a copy of it. Every Christian family did not own a Holy Bible. Nor could many parishes afford to buy one.

It was only during the last 500 years that those who were rich and who can afford to buy a printed Bible, this permitted them to read it and decide for themselves what was the truth. This excluded the believers in poor countries who were unable to afford a Bible. This also excluded all the languages in which the Holy Bible was never translated. Before the 1950’s, very few Nations had Bibles translated in all the languages spoken in their nation.

So you see my brothers and sisters in Christ, if we are to believe that we only need the Holy Bible in order to be saved, then most of the members of the Church during the past 1,500 years could not have been saved, only those who owned a Bible. We know that this is not true, that an endless number of believers, saints and martyrs, were saved throughout the centuries because of their unity to the Catholic Church as commanded by Jesus.

A quick retort to a defender of sola Scriptura

Eric: John, stop and think for a moment, are Roman Catholics Christians?  They are if they have trusted in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of their sins, and had a born again experience.  However, if they believe that the are saved by God’s grace and their works, then they are not saved — even if they believe their works are done by God’s grace — since they then deny the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice.  Being a Christian does not mean being a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Catholicism is not faithful to Scripture. Attached are Scripture verses and explanations that prove the Catholic Church is no longer representing Christianity, but apostasy.

J. Salza: Eric, you have no business quoting from the Bible to disprove the Catholic faith when it was the Catholic Church who gave you the Bible.  This is the brash arrogance of Protestant Christians, who are ignorant of history and twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. I call it “spoiled brat Christianity.” You despise the very Mother who gave you the Scriptures. The Bible is indeed the Word of God, but you only know that because the Catholic Church told you so.  How do you know what books should be in the Bible when the Bible doesn’t tell you?  You only know it because the Catholic Church definitively declared the Bible canon at the end of the fourth century.

If the Bible canon is necessary for our salvation, but Christ did not reveal it to His apostles, then Christ must have established an authority that would guarantee the early Christians’ determination of the Bible canon after He ascended into heaven.  This authority is the Holy Catholic Church.

There was no Bible as you know it for 400 years after Christ’s death, and it wasn’t even distributed for 1500 years after His death.  If the Bible is the only way to get us to heaven, then what happened to those millions of poor souls who never had a Bible during the 1500 year period?  Eric, you need to get familiar with basic history.  Jesus Christ established a Church to proclaim the good news.  He never intended on having the Bible be the sole infallible guide for the Christian faith.  This is why the Catholic Church is one, and your Protestant denominations are 30,000.

The Catholic Church wrote, translated, copied, and preserved God’s written word throughout the ages.  That is the only reason you even have a Bible. Quit trying to interpret the Scriptures without the Church, because it is the Bible in the Church, the Church before the Bible, the Bible and the Church (both or neither).

http://scripturecatholic.com/sola_scriptura_qa.html#scripture-III

What verse in the bible that STATES that the bible is the only sole authority for faith and practice?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(teaching and reproving is also good work)

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Doest that verse teach “scripture alone” ONLY in the use of those words

Anything that is not in the scripture then you dont believe

“Hold fast to the traditions we have taught by word of mouth or by letter”
(2 Thessalonians 2:15)

Written by pinoyteaparty

November 30, 2012 at 12:14 am

Posted in Apologetics

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